# M4 Router Be Gone (installed the spindle) **URL:** \ **Category:** Sled\ **Tags:** router\ **Created:** [June 6, 2024, 2:12am UTC](https://forums.maslowcnc.com/t/m4-router-be-gone-installed-the-spindle/21389 "2024-06-06T02:12:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![md8n](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex031/user_avatar/forums.maslowcnc.com/md8n/32/28197_2.png) [@md8n](https://forums.maslowcnc.com/u/md8n)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2024, 11:23pm UTC](https://forums.maslowcnc.com/t/m4-router-be-gone-installed-the-spindle/21389/21 "2024-06-10T23:23:25Z")
[M4\_SpindleSleeveOuter.stp](https://forums.maslowcnc.com/uploads/short-url/pr2kQ0SDAf90NMmI0Sb8sDoclKc.stp) (14.8 KB) This is the outer sleeve. It is very basic. And here’s the inner sleeve to go around the spindle [M4\_SpindleSupport.stp](https://forums.maslowcnc.com/uploads/short-url/ofE6QrJ3fUPINw2w2JS3jhTzhm2.stp) (428.5 KB) ---
**Author:** ![mooselake](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex031/user_avatar/forums.maslowcnc.com/mooselake/32/6218_2.png) [@mooselake](https://forums.maslowcnc.com/u/mooselake)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2024, 2:33pm UTC](https://forums.maslowcnc.com/t/m4-router-be-gone-installed-the-spindle/21389/22 "2024-06-13T14:33:16Z")
> [@dlang](#): > > is it enough better to be worth 5x the cost? That’s a budget decision 🙂 but everybody I know that’s gritted their teeth and sprung for one has said yes. It’s an ongoing discussion in another 30K member venue I hang out in. Smoother, quieter, higher RPM (mostly for the small bit crowd), more even power, reliable, and did I mention quieter? Of course I suffer from polyrouterism and use mostly trim routers (3 of them, 2 real and one clone Makita, plus whatever ends up in the V4) and earplugs for mostly cost reasons, but I do keep saying I should get a 65mm (same as the Makitas) 800 or 1500w spindle for one of them. ---
**Author:** ![WeldingRod](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/d07c76/32.png) [@WeldingRod](https://forums.maslowcnc.com/u/WeldingRod)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2024, 6:55pm UTC](https://forums.maslowcnc.com/t/m4-router-be-gone-installed-the-spindle/21389/23 "2024-06-13T18:55:37Z")
A key decision making factor is that a CNC router is abusing your ears for hours, while a manual router is usually minutes at a time 😉 ---
**Author:** ![jwolter](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex031/user_avatar/forums.maslowcnc.com/jwolter/32/30787_2.png) [@jwolter](https://forums.maslowcnc.com/u/jwolter)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2024, 10:56pm UTC](https://forums.maslowcnc.com/t/m4-router-be-gone-installed-the-spindle/21389/24 "2024-06-13T22:56:48Z")
True, but a manual router is (hopefully) not much further from your ears than the length of your arms when it is running, so it’s not quite apples to apples. ---
**Author:** ![md8n](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex031/user_avatar/forums.maslowcnc.com/md8n/32/28197_2.png) [@md8n](https://forums.maslowcnc.com/u/md8n)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2024, 12:11am UTC](https://forums.maslowcnc.com/t/m4-router-be-gone-installed-the-spindle/21389/25 "2024-06-14T00:11:15Z")
Having got it working, and a cheap 500w spindle at that, it is soooooooo much better. So much quieter, so much smoother, even though it’s a cheap one. I have two M4s already (officially one is just for spare parts). I also suffer from polyrouterism. But I’m now definitely all in on el-cheapo spindles being the correct choice before a trimmer/router. ---
**Author:** ![arjenschoneveld](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5daacb/32.png) [@arjenschoneveld](https://forums.maslowcnc.com/u/arjenschoneveld)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2024, 8:50am UTC](https://forums.maslowcnc.com/t/m4-router-be-gone-installed-the-spindle/21389/26 "2024-06-14T08:50:58Z")
Yes, and I saw that the max rpm is only 12000, so it is also more in our range of cutting speeds The last time I saw it on Temu, it was only 30 euro’s. Just looked at it now: 92 euro’s… ---
**Author:** ![Beagle](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex031/user_avatar/forums.maslowcnc.com/beagle/32/14562_2.png) [@Beagle](https://forums.maslowcnc.com/u/Beagle)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2024, 9:47am UTC](https://forums.maslowcnc.com/t/m4-router-be-gone-installed-the-spindle/21389/27 "2024-06-14T09:47:33Z")
They are available on Bangood and also Aliexpress about £60 so 70ish euro’s Machifit ER11 Chuck CNC 500W Spindle Motor with 52mm Clamps and Power Supply Speed Governor > **[Machifit ER11 Chuck CNC 500W Spindle Motor with 52mm Clamps and Power Supply...](https://banggood.onelink.me/zMT7/97po2tpp)** > > Only US$72.99, buy best Machifit ER11 Chuck CNC 500W Spindle Motor with 52mm Clamps and and Power Supply Speed Governor For CNC Machine, Air cooled 0.5kw Air cooled spindle ER11 chuck CNC 500W Spindle Motor + Power Supply sale online store at... ---
**Author:** ![stuart\_powles](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex031/user_avatar/forums.maslowcnc.com/stuart_powles/32/22891_2.png) [@stuart\_powles](https://forums.maslowcnc.com/u/stuart_powles)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2024, 10:32am UTC](https://forums.maslowcnc.com/t/m4-router-be-gone-installed-the-spindle/21389/28 "2024-06-15T10:32:45Z")
So before this amazing spindle adapter idea got posted, I ordered a Dewalt DWP611 from the US, which has since gone missing at UK Customs, and I don’t think the supplier is keen on sending another one. My plan was to avoid any need for early customization work. I just wanted to be up and running as fast as possible, and having never done anything like CNC before I wanted to keep it simple. Now even if I go for a UK available alternative router, I have things that need customization, so I am thinking maybe a spindle isn’t too complicated? Based on posts above, Brushless seems like a good move so how complicated would it be to set up the one in the link below? Would 600w be powerful enough? And does anyone have any experience with this particular spindle or brand? > **[Daedalus CNC Brushless Spindle Motor Kit, 600w, ER16, 48V DC, 9000RPM :...](https://www.amazon.co.uk/Daedalus-Brushless-Spindle-Motor-9000RPM/dp/B096FG5F1K)** > > Daedalus CNC Brushless Spindle Motor Kit, 600w, ER16, 48V DC, 9000RPM : Amazon.co.uk: Toys & Games ---
**Author:** ![dlang](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex031/user_avatar/forums.maslowcnc.com/dlang/32/859_2.png) [@dlang](https://forums.maslowcnc.com/u/dlang)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2024, 12:25pm UTC](https://forums.maslowcnc.com/t/m4-router-be-gone-installed-the-spindle/21389/29 "2024-06-15T12:25:48Z")
that spindle looks like it should work, it will be in the ballpark of the same power as the trim routers that are the default. the fact that it’s 600w and 9000 rpm seems like a better fit for the maslow anyway Thanks for finding this. David Lang ---
**Author:** ![stuart\_powles](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex031/user_avatar/forums.maslowcnc.com/stuart_powles/32/22891_2.png) [@stuart\_powles](https://forums.maslowcnc.com/u/stuart_powles)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2024, 12:46pm UTC](https://forums.maslowcnc.com/t/m4-router-be-gone-installed-the-spindle/21389/30 "2024-06-15T12:46:27Z")
Any idea how hot these things get. Would PLA work for a 3D printed sleeve ---
**Author:** ![dlang](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex031/user_avatar/forums.maslowcnc.com/dlang/32/859_2.png) [@dlang](https://forums.maslowcnc.com/u/dlang)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2024, 3:51pm UTC](https://forums.maslowcnc.com/t/m4-router-be-gone-installed-the-spindle/21389/31 "2024-06-15T15:51:53Z")
I believe that people have been using PLA David Lang ---
**Author:** ![md8n](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex031/user_avatar/forums.maslowcnc.com/md8n/32/28197_2.png) [@md8n](https://forums.maslowcnc.com/u/md8n)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2024, 10:48pm UTC](https://forums.maslowcnc.com/t/m4-router-be-gone-installed-the-spindle/21389/32 "2024-06-15T22:48:57Z")
My 500w spindle gets somewhere over 50 degrees C, but not much over it. Still that’s close to PLA’s initial 60 C limit, before any annealing. But I also ran several short cuts with it when I first got things set up, with long breaks in between, and I strongly suspect that I inadvertently annealed the PLA, which is a good thing of course. ---
**Author:** ![WeldingRod](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/d07c76/32.png) [@WeldingRod](https://forums.maslowcnc.com/u/WeldingRod)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2024, 3:39pm UTC](https://forums.maslowcnc.com/t/m4-router-be-gone-installed-the-spindle/21389/33 "2024-06-17T15:39:33Z")
I used to have one of those on my CNC router… They work fine. The preload system leaves a lot to be desired, but then I wanted to cut Aluminum! I suggest setting your sleeve up so that it uses fingers touching the motor housing, so there is room for air to pass over the actual motor surface. The fan doesn’t work very well, but the heating isn’t bad either. I think you will be pretty happy with it. Certainly quieter than the usual trim router! If you can find it, shielded cable for the motor would be smart! ---
**Author:** ![dlang](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex031/user_avatar/forums.maslowcnc.com/dlang/32/859_2.png) [@dlang](https://forums.maslowcnc.com/u/dlang)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2024, 8:14am UTC](https://forums.maslowcnc.com/t/m4-router-be-gone-installed-the-spindle/21389/34 "2024-06-26T08:14:49Z")
that 600w brushless spindle motor has a 10mm shaft with the collet attached to it, so you can replace the ER16 it includes with a ER20 collet that can take 1/2" (13mm) bits (the ER20-10 [https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256806338163886.html](https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256806338163886.html) and then the 17 collet set to go with them [https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256804810573689.html](https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256804810573689.html) and here is an aliexpress link for the spindle itself [https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256805052691834.html](https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256805052691834.html) just need to get a new sleeve for it and check that the height clears. the posted dimensions claim it’s only 10mm longer than the 500w brushed one, but it seems a lot bigger (I haven’t put them side by side) and is a LOT heavier, which should translate into more power, and brushless should reduce wear, noise and EMI ---
**Author:** ![arjenschoneveld](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5daacb/32.png) [@arjenschoneveld](https://forums.maslowcnc.com/u/arjenschoneveld)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2024, 10:42am UTC](https://forums.maslowcnc.com/t/m4-router-be-gone-installed-the-spindle/21389/35 "2024-06-26T10:42:52Z")
Please keep us informed about how well that brushless spindle performs, it looks like a good choice EMI-noise wise ---
**Author:** ![md8n](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex031/user_avatar/forums.maslowcnc.com/md8n/32/28197_2.png) [@md8n](https://forums.maslowcnc.com/u/md8n)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2024, 11:24pm UTC](https://forums.maslowcnc.com/t/m4-router-be-gone-installed-the-spindle/21389/36 "2024-06-30T23:24:03Z")
The spindle was spinning (very slowly) around in the mount when doing longer cuts. Probably because of slight vibration allowing it to overcome friction between the clamps+arms, outer sleeve and inner sleeve. This could ultimately pull the power lead right around until it tangled around the exposed shaft that connected to the fan, as well as the fan itself rubbing on the power cable. Not a good thing. This is the 3rd version of the inner sleeve. It features four tabs so that it can be screwed to the spindle. And then a larger single tab to fit into the top clamp’s “finger gap”. Both of those new features will stop it from rotating around. ![IMG_20240629_111008](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex031/uploads/maslowcnc/original/3X/9/6/96112be54e39d32398019dc3dc0f3f65b0ab9522.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![WeldingRod](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/d07c76/32.png) [@WeldingRod](https://forums.maslowcnc.com/u/WeldingRod)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2024, 5:09pm UTC](https://forums.maslowcnc.com/t/m4-router-be-gone-installed-the-spindle/21389/37 "2024-07-01T17:09:46Z")
Good call on the tabs! I suggest making the inner surface slotted so you get some airflow over the motor itself. The holes in the plastic are pretty well insulated from the motor. If you want more solid ends, just slot the section inside so the air can reach metal. You might also want to extend upward and/or add a cap so that the motor fan pulls air in on the centerline and then blows it down the whole motor. Kind of like a TEFC motor does. The current fan is not very good 😉 ---
**Author:** ![md8n](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex031/user_avatar/forums.maslowcnc.com/md8n/32/28197_2.png) [@md8n](https://forums.maslowcnc.com/u/md8n)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2024, 10:47pm UTC](https://forums.maslowcnc.com/t/m4-router-be-gone-installed-the-spindle/21389/38 "2024-07-01T22:47:26Z")
> [@WeldingRod](#): > > the inner surface slotted The inner surface is slotted most of the way. There’s effectively a slotted ring at the top and the bottom for better clamping support. > [@WeldingRod](#): > > The current fan is not very good Correct, it isn’t, my first thoughts are to replace that fan itself for something that moves air better ---
**Author:** ![WeldingRod](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/d07c76/32.png) [@WeldingRod](https://forums.maslowcnc.com/u/WeldingRod)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2024, 10:58pm UTC](https://forums.maslowcnc.com/t/m4-router-be-gone-installed-the-spindle/21389/39 "2024-07-03T22:58:59Z")
Ah! Cool! You’ve already done it! I couldn’t tell that from the pictures. ---
**Author:** ![grim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b4bc9f/32.png) [@grim](https://forums.maslowcnc.com/u/grim)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2024, 10:33pm UTC](https://forums.maslowcnc.com/t/m4-router-be-gone-installed-the-spindle/21389/40 "2024-07-06T22:33:33Z")
Hi, I’ve decided to buy the same spindle as you, mainly cos you got it working. Do you have a list of modifications that you’ve made to the M4? I assume that all the modifications are 3D prints, correct? Doe the previously shared STL files include the four tabs that can be screwed into the spindle? Is there any place that you can share this info together, like on your page on the forums? Thanks very much for sharing your stuff. Very motivating. [Previous page](https://forums.maslowcnc.com/t/m4-router-be-gone-installed-the-spindle/21389.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.maslowcnc.com/t/m4-router-be-gone-installed-the-spindle/21389.md?page=3)