# Ugh! Why? No matter what I do I still get miscuts **URL:** \ **Category:** Troubleshooting\ **Created:** [March 2, 2018, 10:35pm UTC](https://forums.maslowcnc.com/t/ugh-why-no-matter-what-i-do-i-still-get-miscuts/2577 "2018-03-02T22:35:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 10\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Addubb](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex031/user_avatar/forums.maslowcnc.com/addubb/32/3089_2.png) [@Addubb](https://forums.maslowcnc.com/u/Addubb)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2018, 7:50pm UTC](https://forums.maslowcnc.com/t/ugh-why-no-matter-what-i-do-i-still-get-miscuts/2577/21 "2018-03-04T19:50:50Z")
Thanks Bee. Is that bees wax on the sled? I bought some Johnson’s Paste Wax yesterday. I haven’t put it in yet though. ---
**Author:** ![Bee](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex031/user_avatar/forums.maslowcnc.com/bee/32/2160_2.png) [@Bee](https://forums.maslowcnc.com/u/Bee)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2018, 7:56pm UTC](https://forums.maslowcnc.com/t/ugh-why-no-matter-what-i-do-i-still-get-miscuts/2577/22 "2018-03-04T19:56:47Z")
Yes - for the sled. It’s a natural alternative. You will be fine with Johnsons. However I think beeswax is a good thing to have in your kit. Bar soap is another quick fix if you are in a pinch. Thank you ---
**Author:** ![Addubb](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex031/user_avatar/forums.maslowcnc.com/addubb/32/3089_2.png) [@Addubb](https://forums.maslowcnc.com/u/Addubb)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2018, 8:38pm UTC](https://forums.maslowcnc.com/t/ugh-why-no-matter-what-i-do-i-still-get-miscuts/2577/23 "2018-03-04T20:38:09Z")
Thanks Bee! I will give that a try today. I am getting ready to start cutting. I have since moved my chain tensioners out on blocks, over the chain connection from behind the more gears to in line with the motor gears, so I can slide the cut board left and right per @dlang suggestion. While I was modding the chain tension position I went ahead and shored up the returns to the wall to make sure the frame is 100% rigid. It is rock solid. The only question I have about the frame now is whether there is something off on the angle. @mooslake mentioned the frame angle, but hopefully I am not off there as I don’t have time until this project I am working on is complete to modify the frame angle. Wax is drying as I type here. Fingers crossed that she’ll be cutting pretty today. ---
**Author:** ![Gero](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex031/user_avatar/forums.maslowcnc.com/gero/32/17487_2.png) [@Gero](https://forums.maslowcnc.com/u/Gero)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2018, 8:47pm UTC](https://forums.maslowcnc.com/t/ugh-why-no-matter-what-i-do-i-still-get-miscuts/2577/24 "2018-03-04T20:47:45Z")
If you hold your sled by the chains, does the top (brackets) or the bottom (weight) tilt towards the cutting sheet? ---
**Author:** ![Addubb](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex031/user_avatar/forums.maslowcnc.com/addubb/32/3089_2.png) [@Addubb](https://forums.maslowcnc.com/u/Addubb)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2018, 8:56pm UTC](https://forums.maslowcnc.com/t/ugh-why-no-matter-what-i-do-i-still-get-miscuts/2577/25 "2018-03-04T20:56:05Z")
@Gero I will check this when the wax is cured. Just to clarify, do you mean hold the whole sled up plumb, or just sort of manually slide it on the cut surface and look for tilting? It occasionally tilts/lifts up ever so slightly and turns according to chain tension out around the perimeter. Other than that when in cutting motion it is usually very stable on the surface. ---
**Author:** ![Gero](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex031/user_avatar/forums.maslowcnc.com/gero/32/17487_2.png) [@Gero](https://forums.maslowcnc.com/u/Gero)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2018, 8:59pm UTC](https://forums.maslowcnc.com/t/ugh-why-no-matter-what-i-do-i-still-get-miscuts/2577/26 "2018-03-04T20:59:43Z")
Take it by the chains near the brackets and hang it in front of you. What tilt do you see? I’m asking because the pattern looks familiar. On an unbalanced sled, friction at the top or bottom will cause random tilting. The wax will help reducing the friction and improve the result. A further tuning is to balance the sled so that it hangs vertical. If your top tilts towards the sheet, you are to high with your chains. Go lower in the holes. If the weight tilts towards the sheet, your chains are to low, go higher. ---
**Author:** ![Addubb](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex031/user_avatar/forums.maslowcnc.com/addubb/32/3089_2.png) [@Addubb](https://forums.maslowcnc.com/u/Addubb)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2018, 9:33pm UTC](https://forums.maslowcnc.com/t/ugh-why-no-matter-what-i-do-i-still-get-miscuts/2577/27 "2018-03-04T21:33:55Z")
Great tip @Gero. Thank you. I hung the sled by the chains and check it for plumb and it is dead on. I will definitely make that tip a part of my knowledge base though. Thanks for the input. The wax is dry and polished, so I am going to give her a spin. I will keep list the details of the trouble shooting steps I took once I get this problem licked. Thanks all. ---
**Author:** ![mooselake](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex031/user_avatar/forums.maslowcnc.com/mooselake/32/6218_2.png) [@mooselake](https://forums.maslowcnc.com/u/mooselake)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2018, 1:24am UTC](https://forums.maslowcnc.com/t/ugh-why-no-matter-what-i-do-i-still-get-miscuts/2577/28 "2018-03-05T01:24:06Z")
> [@Bee](#): > > Bar soap Bee’s wax, Bar soap, what’s next? Dave Oil? [Moose Juice](https://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/41923/241353/)? Gero Grease? Etc… ---
**Author:** ![dlang](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex031/user_avatar/forums.maslowcnc.com/dlang/32/859_2.png) [@dlang](https://forums.maslowcnc.com/u/dlang)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2018, 2:13am UTC](https://forums.maslowcnc.com/t/ugh-why-no-matter-what-i-do-i-still-get-miscuts/2577/29 "2018-03-05T02:13:01Z")
my current theory is that if the chains are slightly ‘too high’ (so that when hung like this the sled would tilt so that the brick move away from the cutting surface) that it would do slightly better when cutting off the sides of the work area. ---
**Author:** ![jwolter](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex031/user_avatar/forums.maslowcnc.com/jwolter/32/30787_2.png) [@jwolter](https://forums.maslowcnc.com/u/jwolter)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2018, 7:20am UTC](https://forums.maslowcnc.com/t/ugh-why-no-matter-what-i-do-i-still-get-miscuts/2577/30 "2018-04-18T07:20:17Z")
Don’t know why, but a pointless poll seemed appropriate here. _Poll ([view on site](https://forums.maslowcnc.com/t/ugh-why-no-matter-what-i-do-i-still-get-miscuts/2577/30))_ [Previous page](https://forums.maslowcnc.com/t/ugh-why-no-matter-what-i-do-i-still-get-miscuts/2577.md?page=1)