M4 'Hourglass' Frame

I have a little gap between major projects at work, and I am successfully procrastinating on all the things I need to do in my life, so I decided to take a swing at designing a frame for my upcoming M4. I’m honestly not a big fan of the default frame- it doesn’t seem that rigid overall and from the calibration video it seems somewhat cumbersome. As a goal for myself, I wanted to design something at least no less rigid and no more cumbersome.

I wanted an 8 ft x12 ft anchor spacing and something that could be used either horizontally in a table configuration- not necessarily on the floor- or vertically. Although I am fairly proficient with a good collection of hand and power tools, I wanted a design that could be accomplished by someone with no more than basic tools and skill. I also wanted it to be affordable- with the default frame’s budget as a target.

I did a design sprint with four iterations, each time restarting with a clean sheet design utilizing insights from the previous iteration. This was completed last night, and I hadn’t intended to actually build it at this point, but my plans for the day fell through so this afternoon I went ahead and made a first article.

The overall dimensions are 8ft x12 ft, with the narrower middle section being 4 ft 8 in wide. No part of the table is more than 28 inches from the edge- it would have been almost impossible to manage an eight-foot wide table height workspace.

The belts are going to pass over the side cutouts in operation, so nothing fixed can be placed there, but there should be no issue with moving in and out of this space. There’s even a portion of the ends that will never be crossed by the belts, so some small items such as e-stop switches can be placed there. Furthermore, the M4 sled can be placed on the end when loading or unloading a sheet.

The top is a continuous shear web, so it is extremely rigid across the plane. There is also a continuous perimeter frame underneath. This mutually reinforces the frame and the panel, and since the panel does not have to support itself, it can be thinner.

I’m planning on using the 3D printed Triangle Anchors- I had them made in carbon-fiber reinforced PETG, which I have used before with great success.

I used what I had on hand, but I’m comfortable with the material choices. The build used two sheets of 7/16" OSB, three 8 ft 2x4s, and seven 8 ft 2x3s, but the design could be used unchanged with any sheet goods or lumber. Costing it out, it can be cheaper or at parity with the default frame. Not a design requirement, but I like to minimize waste, so this is all the scrap-

The last feature is that the entire thing breaks down into three pieces- the 4ft 8in x 8ft center section and the two ends, each of which with their extension is 4 ft x 8 ft. This makes it easier to store, and if needed makes it transportable in a pickup bed.

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It’s a fantastic design across the board (pun intended), but it’s this last bit that really stands out to me. That is such a cool and useful feature.

Also the material usage is splendid! Almost no waste at all :grinning: :+1: :+1:

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Wow! I still haven’t built my frame as I wanted to integrate it into an “island” of sorts in the garage, but you make a great point about distance from the edge, I hadn’t thought of that.

I thing building the center part as a permanent table, and adding the ends when I do CNC cuts with the M4 would make a lot of sense.

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If anyone is interested, here are my own shop drawings- I’ve added a few dimensions, everything needed I think. It doesn’t show the bolts that attach the extensions to the central table, or the additional blocking in the corners. I’ll try to get around to a more approachable set of plans.

M4 Hourglass Frame.pdf (68.2 KB)

And here is the spreadsheet I used for cutting the 2xs.

Hourglass Frame V4.xlsx (18.7 KB)

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I was thinking along the same lines, but the folding sawhorses worked for the first pass. :smile:

My plan is to use steel arms out of each corner of the workbench to hold the ends of the belts when required which can be removed when not needed.

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Hey, just last night I was using what remained of the plywood sheet I’d just cut over some sawhorses as an assembly table. It might be a little while before I actually get to building my table, as I have a ton of other projects in the garage before that.

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Very cool design. I was thinking about incorporating my workshop table to do the cutting and your design gives me some great ideas. My workshop table is 8 feet by about 30 inches, so I might put some out riggers on the sides and then the end sections at the ends of the table. Or just do what you did and mount/fasten it on to the table when I am doing CNC cutting.

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Really impressed with this design, well done.

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@CPL have you had a chance to use this frame with your Maslow yet? Any pictures of the complete setup? I am thinking of building this style of frame and am curious to know how it worked out.

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I did build my M4 this last Saturday and did multiple calibrations on Sunday.

The frame performed as expected- the insets in the side allow access to the entire surface with it sitting at table height while still allowing an 8ftx12ft anchor spread. I was even able to have a laptop sitting on the end of the table with no interference with the belts.

It’s been a busy week, I’ll try to get back to it and I’ll get some pictures when I do.

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A couple of pictures of the hourglass frame in use- successful calibration with 0.70.2

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Obi-Wan: “Hello there…”

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It’s iike looking in a mirror, only not” - Castor Troy

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@Thunderscreech - that’s looking good- I can see you are not quite done in the photo. My drawings don’t show some details, so I assume you figured some things out - if there’s anything (like ‘why the heck did he do it that way?’) that isn’t clear, I’d be happy to help out.

Equally, if you found any ways to improve on the design, I’d be honored if you added your experience.

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The design is great, I was immediately drawn to the practicality of it when I saw your picture, and being able to reach everywhere in the cut area even when it is horizontal seems like a great feature.

I added some 2x4 corner braces on the center table because I was concerned about rigidity but I don’t k ow if they were needed. I have not yet put in the angled pieces for the black widow struts that extend from the corners to the arm next to where the centerpiece sits. I will revisit those if it misbehaves.

I was able to work backwards from the dimensions in your PDF without difficulty and you’ll find some amusement in the biggest challenge that I had: when I began to lay the sheet pieces, I became super confused about the dimensions. I stood there and puzzled over the giant gaps that I was going to see once I put all three pieces together because I clearly didn’t have enough ply to cover the center span. I must’ve looked pretty funny when I smacked my forehead, suddenly understanding how the different pieces slid together and that I wasn’t looking at not a contiguous structure, but a nested structure where the centerpiece was snugly fit inside the arms of the end pieces.

I know, it’s silly, but my brain turned off just long enough for me to begin to question my reality.

I am contemplating drilling some holes to put some spring loaded retention clips like what you might use in a trailer hitch that would go through the arms and the centerpiece outer wall so that I can be assured of rigidity especially if I put it on wheels for transport inside and out while assembled. But that is a fairly speculative future project, right now I will install the corner mounts for the go go gadget Maslow arms, the half inch particle spoiler board, and take care of my first cut. I’m popping out of the country for a few days so that will be first thing next week.

Thank you for sharing all the details you did about the table, I will get you some pictures of it fully assembled and online.

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I love the setting for your photo- built outside on a trailer, another in the background, that’s a big part of how I am too. If I may ask- where are you located?

As I mentioned in the original post, this was revision four of the design and the way the panels were cut and fitted came together only at the very end - it was not something that my brain came to easily.

I’d be interested in hearing/seeing what you have in mind.

I live just outside of Eugene, OR. I can also report that neither of the hardware bags exploded due to cabin depressurization in the cargo hold of the truck that drove a few hours south to deliver my M4 kit. :slight_smile:

Building it on my flatbed trailer made it quite easy on my back and it’s also a good surface to do cuts when the weather is nice, I expect it’ll mostly live indoors when it’s wet out.

I had already printed out the corner mounts for the M4 that folks have been using on concrete so I’ll probably try those first because I have 'em.

Roger roger! I’m thinking something simple like this or maybe even just loose fitted bolts that go straight through a hole between the arms and the wall of the center piece. If I do it, I’ll post pics.
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Beautiful area. I live at 3100 ft in the foothills above Sacramento- similar in a lot of ways.

I’ve come to the conclusion that I’m getting taller, because the floor keeps getting farther away.

In my case I just used bolts and T-nuts.

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Thanks for the excellent design. Did you send the 3D printed corner anchors out to print, and if so what company do you recommend? I was going to print on my printer but can’t do carbon fiber so I am concerned about the strength. Also, what do you recommend to bond the waste board and the project boards to the OSB base? I am thinking double-faced tape in the right spots would allow me to not have tabs to cut post production to keep the inner parts from moving. Suggests welcome!

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