15mm error on Bottom Right Axis

Since this week I also started having this 15mm error every once in a while.

I noticed that on my setup it occurs when I set up the machine Retract All > Extend all > Apply Tension and then start setting my Z-height to eventually define Z-Home … the Bottom Right belt immediately gives slack from the moment I touch the Z-up or Z-down button.
From then on I have the feeling the Bottom Right belt gets more and more slack every time the Z-axis moves up or down during the execution of the G-code, eventually resulting in a 15mm error somewhere along the code.

I tested with 4 cuts in a row, altered the code slightly every cut.
When I set a Z-safety height of 5mm when travelling without cutting, it takes more time for the error to occur. When I set a Z-safety height of 20mm the error comes faster.
On a slower speed (2400mm/s) it also takes more time for the error to pop up.

The fastest the error occured was with a faster cutting speed (3200mm/s on a 3mm stepdown with a 6mm two flute straight bit) and with a Z-safety height of 20mm.

I’m cutting phenolic plywood with a waxed sled, so least friction possible I would assume.
Hardly any static build up as far as I can tell when coming close to the vacuum hose and not a lot of dust in the air.

I was wondering what the conclusion is for now on this error and how to best try and solve it?

Oh this is interesting! Thank you for reporting your observations. I’ve seen that error before, but I always use a safety height of 10 in every cut so I didnt realize it may be related. Ill run some tests too and let you know how it goes.

That would explain why my 15mm errors have always seemed to occur in the same area of work piece - I’ve never altered the speeds and it was running the same z-home and z gcode movements each time.

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Anna Thomas wrote:

Oh this is interesting! Thank you for reporting your observations. I’ve seen
that error before, but I always use a safety height of 10 in every cut so I
didnt realize it may be related. Ill run some tests too and let you know how
it goes.

The maslow 4 doesn’t have the insanely slow Z axis that the earlier version did,
but because of that, I always set the safety height really low, 1-2mm (depending
on how much I trust the zeroing of the bit)

anything more is just wasted travel.

David Lang

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Had some more time to go at it in the workshop.
All my cuts keep failing … even after grounding the vac hose, grounding the sled, hot-glueing the CAT cables in place and re-calibrating endless times.

Here is the serial log and the g-code file from the last fail, the belts feel tight after the forced stop but the system gives 15mm error on 3 of the 4 belts.
Maslow-serial.log (7.3 KB)
SD_inside - normal F2100.nc (9.0 KB)

When I do a “Set Z-stop” it goes all the way to -134mm, but in reality it is 10mm above the surface … so I have the feeling it has something to do with the Z-value parameter in code going off track somewhere during cutting.

What more can I do about this, so I can cut at least 1 file entirely?

We’re working on a hardware fix that we’re hoping should take care of this, but the company making the new cables is running a little behind schedule. We should get the new cables for testing this week.

This does seem wrong. When are you using the “Set Z-Stop” button?

That sounds great!

I saw Anna reset her Z-stop before a job in one of the videos. So I thought I would also try it.
I do it whenever the tension in the belts becomes to saggy. And then after it the displayed Z distance below the jogging interface is always very much off.

For example, i’ve reset the Z-stop earlier today and 4 cutting attempts of about 1 hour total cutting time later the Z seems to be off by 42mm if I set my XY home and read the coordinates in the log screen.

So i’m thinking of doing a Z reset before every cut from now on, because I notice the belts having a much better tension after doing so.

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Are you lowering the z-axis all the way down so the motors can’t spin anymore before setting the z-stop?

In due course please share info on the nature of the hardware changes and the basics of what it covers so we can understand your path better. thanks!

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The week link seems to be the connectors so I planning to swap them for JST-XH connectors which are better with dust and vibration and lower the value of the pull up resistors on the SPI lines from 2.7k to 1k. It’s not a major change, but I’m hoping that it should make things more robust.

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I sincerely hope that is it. But many of us are having the same problems after all he remediation steps (hot glue, grounding the DIR pin, grounding everything else) - for me I still get 15mm errors almost immediately when trying to run a job even though calibration seems to always work fine. I’m struggling to think it is a connector issue when the problem is SO frequent and consistent.

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Now that I read this, I have had a couple errors when setting the Z home height. The machine errors out and then I have to extend all the cables and then retract them again and power unit off and on before it will act right.

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Yes, it’s lowered down all the way until it rattles and then I perform the Set Z-stop

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