Losing belt position - w/ video - please help! :)

My maslow keeps loosing position of the belts while doing cuts. I’ve attached a video of it losing position as well as the output from the serial logs.

[MSG:INFO: Using spindle NoSpindle]
[MSG:WARN: Position error on Top Left axis exceeded 15mm while running. Error is 16.168mm Counter: 1]
[MSG:WARN: Previous error was 16.168mm]
[MSG:WARN: Position error on Top Left axis exceeded 15mm while running. Error is 16.155mm Counter: 2]
[MSG:WARN: Previous error was 16.155mm]
[MSG:WARN: Position error on Top Left axis exceeded 15mm while running. Error is 16.143mm Counter: 3]
[MSG:WARN: Previous error was 16.143mm]
[MSG:WARN: Position error on Top Left axis exceeded 15mm while running. Error is 16.130mm Counter: 4]
[MSG:WARN: Previous error was 16.130mm]
[MSG:WARN: Position error on Top Left axis exceeded 15mm while running. Error is 18.877mm Counter: 5]
[MSG:WARN: Previous error was 18.877mm]
[MSG:WARN: Position error on Top Left axis exceeded 15mm while running. Error is 18.864mm Counter: 6]
[MSG:WARN: Previous error was 18.864mm]
[MSG:ERR: Emergency stop! Stopping all motors]

Not entirely sure how to fix this going forward.

Maslow-serial (2).log (36.0 KB)

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spnc wrote:

[MSG:WARN: Position error on Top Left axis exceeded 15mm while running. Error is 18.864mm Counter: 6]
[MSG:WARN: Previous error was 18.864mm]

A common cause of this is the rollers being assembled with the magnet in the
wrong place, not right next to the chip.

disassemble that arm and see what it’s doing.

David Lang

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A common cause of this is the rollers being assembled with the magnet in the
wrong place, not right next to the chip.

disassemble that arm and see what it’s doing.

David Lang

I can do that again. It was right the last two times I did it, lol.

edit: i’m surprised that I’d be able to get this far with the magnets being in the wrong spot. Are they strong enough to work most of the time?

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I don’t think that this is a magnets issue, but if it is there is an easy way to check. Just press Actions → Test and it will check to make sure all of the magnets are detected.

To me this looks like the machine doesn’t have a good fix on the anchor point locations and so the belts aren’t staying tight.

I would make a backup download of your Maslow.yaml settings file and then try running the automatic Find Anchor Locations process again and see if that fixes it

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@dlang

with Bar’s suggestion:
[MSG:INFO: SSDP Started]
[MSG:INFO: HTTP started on port 80]
[MSG:INFO: Telnet started on port 23]
[MSG:INFO: Channel auto report interval set to 50 ms]
Test
Index.html Version: 1.12
[MSG:INFO: Firmware Version: 1.12]
[MSG:INFO: I2C Timeout: ]
[MSG:INFO: 10]
[MSG:INFO: All tests passed on Top Left]
[MSG:INFO: All tests passed on Top Right]
[MSG:INFO: All tests passed on Bottom Left]
[MSG:INFO: All tests passed on Bottom Right]

@bar

This video was taken immediately after running a ‘calibration’. I can do it again if desired. I did have an issue after the video where the arms wouldn’t retract until I cranked the pulling force up to 1400. I think you’ve said in some of your video’s some of the machines can be ‘tight’ I suspect that mine is one of them.

Let me know what other information you need. I can do all sorts of tests and experiments, fiddle with things, disassemble reassemble. I just desperately want to get this thing ironed out as I’ve got so many ideas in my head I need to build. lol

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Locating went surprisingly quick:

Calibration values:
Fitness: 0.7870137071816339
Maslow_tlX: -0.5
Maslow_tlY: 1563.1
Maslow_trX: 2915.6
Maslow_trY: 1553.2
Maslow_blX: 0.0
Maslow_blY: 0.0
Maslow_brX: 2912.2
Maslow_brY: 0.0

As soon as I jogged it to the extreme of the cut, belts started going slack.

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I think tomorrow I’ll try horizontal and see what happens.

I did notice as I’ve been extending the belts, they do feel like the skip. Maybe I need new belts?

spnc wrote:

I did notice as I¢ve been extending the belts, they do feel like the skip. Maybe I need new belts?

it may be that they aren’t on the spool sanely

the maslow rotates the sppol, but then it’s being measured by the roller/magnet.
It would be very hard for the belt to skip on the roller. you would have to have
stripped the teeth off of the belt, and then something else would have to
happen.

David Lang

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What size of grid are you using to find the anchor locations?

5x5 700m X 700m

I can try a different config if you recommend.

Did a horizontal try today. Found anchor points then tried to run my design, failed faster today.

The video is taken from the top perspective, the Maslow to frame orientation was the same as vertical.

I can upload the design if needed but I don’t think that’s the problem…

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Hmmm Do you see the same behavior if you use the jog buttons to move around to the spots where it’s getting slack while cutting?

That would tell us if its an issue with the anchor point locations or something that only happens when running a file

It can happen when jogging. I’ll video.

Sorry for the average at best video. I’m not a content creator! :sweat_smile:

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OK, great! Well not great…but that pretty much means it’s got to be an anchor point location based issue.

Can we try deleting the maslow.yaml file that you have now and starting fresh to find the anchor points again?

Another option is to use @dlang’s system for manually measuring and finding the anchor points manually

@Bar What size grid should I try? 5x5 700x700 doesn’t seem to be doing it. The frame is about 5’x10’ with a standard 4x8 as spoil board.

I zero the Z each time too.

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Let’s try a grid size that is a similar aspect ratio to the frame. Maybe lets try 500x1000 so we get more measurements out to the edges where the belts are somewhat slack?

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hi, I tried it too. I switched to 1.12, it took a while before I got the hang of it, but I’m calibrating 800x400 with a 5x5 grid. Fitness ended up around 0.85. Frame 4.4m x 3.6m concrete floor. When moving in one direction, the belts sag in the opposite direction, when I go up there, it loosens so much that I have to stop so they don’t get tangled. I have both 1500 forces.

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I was able to replicate this by running find anchor points with a small grid and then moving all the way to one side.

Now I am testing if running a wider pattern fixes it.

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Yup, the larger (1400mm x 600mm 7x7) grid seems to have fixed it for me!

It’s annoying that we ask you to pick your own grid size without really any guidance on what is a good size. I will work on making it so that the machine picks a reasonable size automatically so it’s not something we have to enter anymore. There is no reason for it not to do that automatically…I just need to do some testing to figure out what is a good size :grin:

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Awesome!

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